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17" split ring wheel replacements? #1318126 Wed Jul 17 2019 08:18 PM
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lbpa18 Offline OP
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Ive searched for a couple hours now and havent found what I know to be a conversation had before. I need to replace my '48 3800 pickup wheels with something more up to date that will allow me to find tires and not fight the tire shops that wont work on split rims any longer. My truck is original and stock. Id like to have the original hubcaps fit the replacement wheels. Short of having some made, does anyone know of a bolt-on replacement? Thanks in advance.

Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1318135 Wed Jul 17 2019 09:25 PM
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Grigg Offline
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Some have used 16” wheels from older trucks, somewhat newer Fords, and brand new trailer wheels. Some more searching on that should turn up plenty of info.

Personally I like 19.5 wheels with 8R19.5 tires, they’re tall and skinny like the original 7.50x17 but a tad taller, which is good. Down side is they’re becoming more difficult to find. Good side is ones from the 50’s and possibly 60’s usually have hubcap clips and our original hubcaps fit.
See blue GMC, red wheels, and white hubcaps here.
https://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthread.../re-homecoming-pictures.html#Post1310459


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1318219 Thu Jul 18 2019 11:31 AM
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John Milliman Offline
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Ipba18 -- If you are talking the 17-inch wheels found (usually) on the 3804 trucks (your pickup), then they are three-piece wheels, not split rims. Any tire shop that doesn't understand the difference shouldn't be working on them, anyway. If you've been trying the chain tire outlets, then its not surprising that you aren't having any luck. Try finding a tire shop that services big trucks or farm equipment.

FWIW, I just put a new set of bias ply 17-inch tubed tires on my 3804. I bought them from Universal Vintage Tire in Hershey, PA and so far, I am very pleased with them. My local tire shop (services big trucks and ag) even found the tires for me and told me that it would be cheaper if I bought them directly and just brought them in for mounting. Which is what I did. They even balanced them, too. My truck is an occasional driver, not a daily. But when I do go somewhere, it's mostly on 4-lane or highway. And I am cruising 65-ish (I repowered with a 261 and I have the 4.11 gearing in the rear axle). Huck brakes, too. wink And why looky here ... I'm not dead.

Note: My truck is capable of going faster than 70 mph, but it's not enjoyable. To make it enjoyable, I would have to modify my truck more than I want to. 62-ish is good enough for me.

Just sayin ... Not all of us have Grigg's uncanny ability to spot the wheels he's looking for, mixed among thousands of nearly identical (appearing) wheels in a mound, covered with weeds in a forgotten junkyard from 1000 meters... I've seen him do it in person and all I can say is that 300 years ago, he would have been burned at the stake or dunked in a pond ... smile (I exaggerate for humor -- Grigg has spent a LOT of time and effort to research this stuff and prepares very well for each time he hits the fields and junkyards, so it shouldn't be surprising that he can spot exactly what he's looking for).

Bottom line -- Do not be quite so quick to give up on bias ply tires. They are one example of how it's a good thing that "they don't make 'em like they used to."

Good luck!


John

'49 Chevrolet 3804

Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: John Milliman] #1318378 Fri Jul 19 2019 01:20 PM
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VEW Offline
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Originally Posted by John Milliman

Just sayin ... Not all of us have Grigg's uncanny ability to spot the wheels he's looking for, mixed among thousands of nearly identical (appearing) wheels in a mound, covered with weeds in a forgotten junkyard from 1000 meters... I've seen him do it in person and all I can say is that 300 years ago, he would have been burned at the stake or dunked in a pond ... smile (I exaggerate for humor -- Grigg has spent a LOT of time and effort to research this stuff and prepares very well for each time he hits the fields and junkyards, so it shouldn't be surprising that he can spot exactly what he's looking for).


That is sooo true! I was walking through a junkyard with Grigg several years ago and he said "there's a 19.5 wheel". I said "where?" and he pointed about 30 yards ahead of us. I grabbed it!!!


Victor

41 3/4 Ton Pick Up (in process)
55 Grumman Kurbside (Doughboy) 235/3 on tree w/ OD
57 3100
58 C4400 Viking (Thor)
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59 G3800 1 Ton Dually (Chief)


Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1318390 Fri Jul 19 2019 02:23 PM
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Bill Marlow Offline
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Victor, it may have been the same trip but I saw him do the same thing in a big pile of wheels at a junk yard one time.
He also has and uncanny ability to find four leaf clovers wink


Billy
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1946 Chevrolet Cab Over Engine
1946 Chevrolet 2-ton COE
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50 GMC 450 Flatbed W/W, Air Brake equipt (25% Owner)
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1950 Chevrolet 3800
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Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1318448 Fri Jul 19 2019 09:29 PM
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John Milliman Offline
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The weird part is ... it's not just 19.5-in wheels (cue X-Files theme music ...)


John

'49 Chevrolet 3804

Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1318754 Mon Jul 22 2019 01:44 AM
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Grigg Offline
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Y’all are too much.

They’re just wheels... figure out what you want to find and look for them, then when they show up you notice.


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1318757 Mon Jul 22 2019 02:08 AM
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John Milliman Offline
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Easy for you to say, Maestro Galilei ... wink But history is replete with examples of how we fear what we do not understand ... And we find it ""foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical..."

chug


John

'49 Chevrolet 3804

Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1318950 Tue Jul 23 2019 02:15 PM
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EdPruss Offline
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Same goes with Detroits, 302 GMC's.

Ed


'37 GMC T-18 w/ DD 4-53T, RTO-610, 6231 aux., '95 GMC running gear, full disc brakes, power steering, 22.5 wheels and tires.
'47 GMC 1 ton w/ 302, NP-540, 4wd, full width Blazer front axle.
'54 GMC 630 w/ 503 gasser, 5 speed, ex fire truck, shortened WB 4', install 8' bed.
Re: 17" split ring wheel replacements? [Re: lbpa18] #1319691 Mon Jul 29 2019 03:42 PM
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mikec4193 Offline
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I used on my old truck trailer wheels but they were not the best looking but since then coker sells these wheels....
https://www.cokertire.com/8-lug-wheel-primed.html...
vintiques wheels I believe sells steel wheels that will work also for your truck...
https://www.wheelvintiques.com/whee...ze=125&backspacing=50&finish=256

good luck with your project...

MikeC

Last edited by mikec4193; Mon Jul 29 2019 03:42 PM.

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