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Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309328 Fri May 03 2019 12:40 AM
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Dcurtis Offline OP
Wrench Fetcher
Also the actual vin tag between the door hinges on the driver side door is long gone. You can see where it was I will take a picture of it tomorrow but there’s 2 holes one is most likely a screw hole the other has the remains of a pop rivet. So the true actual vin will likely never be determined. Unless someone knows of another place that was also marked


Dan
Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309362 Fri May 03 2019 10:29 AM
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truckernix Offline
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2ManyTrucks,
that is interesting information. The head that I put on my Canadian 216, came off a Canadian car with a 216 motor. Apparently there were times when parts crossed the border to keep production going. The difference in my case is that the intake ports that align with the manifold are the correct size for a 216, not a 235.


1951 GMC 1 Ton Flatbed -- It is finally on the road and what a great time I have driving it!
1951 1 Ton Completed


My Chevy Master 4 Door is on the Road!
Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309428 Fri May 03 2019 08:59 PM
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Dcurtis Offline OP
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Yikes !!! I hope this doesn’t lead to bigger problems under the head !

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Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309430 Fri May 03 2019 09:08 PM
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Grigg Offline
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Don’t spend an unreasonable amount of time or money on it. Plenty of good Stovebolt engines available to swap in there. Later model 235 or better yet a 261 are good ideas.


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309460 Sat May 04 2019 01:44 AM
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Dcurtis Offline OP
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Probably great advice ! However this is the engine that my truck was born with. I think I’m not going to stop unless there’s absolutely no hope it.


Dan
Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309461 Sat May 04 2019 01:50 AM
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truckernix Offline
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I think I see a big truck governor there. I have never seen one before. It is under the carburetor. Maybe someone could fill me in on that.

You made a whole family of mice homeless!


1951 GMC 1 Ton Flatbed -- It is finally on the road and what a great time I have driving it!
1951 1 Ton Completed


My Chevy Master 4 Door is on the Road!
Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309467 Sat May 04 2019 02:50 AM
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Grigg Offline
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It may be the original engine, but still be reasonable about your intentions and options.
Perhaps it cost $3-6,000 to professionally rebuild. Or you may find a good replacement for well under $1,000.

I enjoy seeing all original trucks and restorations, I’m glad some people are that passionate and dedicated. There is a lot to learn from their research and efforts.
I’d also much rather see a good everyday driven truck with slight and or sensible upgrades than a half hearted “original restoration” that actually isn’t original.
Go all the way and be original or be practical (and drive it a whole lot), I don’t see much use for half way in between. I really enjoy driving old trucks, and 100% original isn’t necessary for that. Not saying you can’t drive an original as it is or fully restored to like original because they were new once and perfectly driveable then as now; but consider cost and rewards.

Decide what makes you happy and fix or restore your truck to suit. Also step back and reevaluate that plan a time or two along the way.


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309479 Sat May 04 2019 11:02 AM
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sweepleader Offline
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My guess is you will find mouse pee and poop corrosion all the way to the oil pan down the oil drain holes and push rods. The rockers will all be frozen to the shaft, the bolts, push rods, valve springs, keepers and valves will all be corroded beyond use. The valves will likely be stuck tight in the guides. There very likely will be corrosion on the lifters, they may be stuck and the cam likely damaged.

Personally, I would not try too hard to salvage the head, certainly not the valve gear. IF the valves can be driven from the guides, its possible the bare head might be salvaged.

First thing I would do is pull the engine, I would not even think about taking it apart in the truck. To my mind that would be a total waste of time as it will all have to come apart, right down to the bare block. Every part will need to be inspected for rust damage.

There will be a lot of damage. Pretty sad to see that picture.

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1969 T50 fire truck, almost nos, needs a few things
Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309485 Sat May 04 2019 11:55 AM
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John Milliman Offline
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Just to echo/footstomp what Grigg said. I tried going the all-original route, too, once ...

The good news is that you have cured any boredom problem you may have had for the forseeable future -- looks like many, many,many hours of fun there.... smile

The best advice I've heard in situations like yours is to stop at this point and check with your State DMV to see what will be required to title and register this truck. Do not listen to anecdotes or stories or advice or any of it from anyone other than the professional staff at your DMV. Their answers will help you decide how much further you want to go with this project. You will no doubt have a bit of a project just to get the truck titled. Best you find out now, rather than after you've sunk a lot of money into.

THEN, once the DMV has helped you make an informed decision ...

Think long and hard about what your ultimate goal is for the truck (to help you decide how to proceed). A couple of thoughts to ponder (from my own painful experience...) It is best to decide now because down the road it will sure stink if you dumped a bunch of money into that 216 and decide that you really wish you could actually drive the truck to events or even just around town.



John

'49 Chevrolet 3804
'70 Boston Whaler Sakonnet w/ '84 Evinrude 90
'85 Ford F-350 "The Farm Dawg"

Re: 1950 4400 [Re: Dcurtis] #1309487 Sat May 04 2019 12:24 PM
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Dcurtis Offline OP
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I don’t know how long mice live. but over 40 years !! I’m guessing many generations of mice lived under that cover.
All hope definitely doesn’t mean a bottomless piggy bank. The engine is just the first thing I wanted to work on because weather it will run or it’s too far gone will determine the direction of the whole project. I haven’t posted pictures of the cab yet!!! It’s like Swiss cheese and would probably be discarded by many. These definitely are not a dime a dozen around my area. So I will work slowly and within my weekly budget to buy panels and parts.
I don’t appreciate the be cautious advice though. That’s why I am here I will need plenty of advice
Here’s some more pictures of the carburetor if you see anything out of the ordinary let me know!

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