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Re: Bill of Sale
kclark2227 #1302821 Tue Mar 12 2019 11:49 PM
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In CA the only thing that matters is what's on the DMV system. If the vehicle is being sold within the same state it simplifies everything. They look on the system and see who the owner is and the paperwork has to match. If there's no physical title the owner (on the system) can fill out forms to make the transaction. If the vehicle is from out of state (out of CA) there HAS to be a physical title because they can't check it on the system, they're not linked. I would assume it would be similar in other states but your state's DMV is the only one that can answer that. If you want to be safe, go to your DMV and ask them what they need for paperwork for you to register it in your name. They should give you the forms with the steps highlighted.

If there is no physical title there may be a way to run a lien and get ownership that way. Again, check with local laws, that's all that matters.

Re: Bill of Sale
kclark2227 #1302830 Wed Mar 13 2019 01:04 AM
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Thanks to everyone. The seller does have a Clean Title and I had talked to Penn DOT as I had a couple of questions but that stated that I only needed the title and have it notarized and then take the car back to NC. I need a bill of sale as my local Tag/Title place always asks for it even though I don't need it in this case. I want to go ahead and get a BOS as a CYA after a 16+ hour drive. Get all I need while I have the seller right in front of me and a notary.

Re: Bill of Sale
kclark2227 #1302844 Wed Mar 13 2019 01:44 AM
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Re: Bill of Sale
kclark2227 #1302881 Wed Mar 13 2019 01:08 PM
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kclark,

Good work.

Would you please let us know if your DMV looks for a frame ID?
Do not ask about this - maybe your DMV will not do this.


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1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE [1954advance-design.com] - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Bill of Sale
kclark2227 #1303003 Thu Mar 14 2019 02:31 PM
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Not to muddy the water anymore, but Tim, No Advance-Design trucks were frame stamped from the factory. Correct? I don't know when Chevy started that. The OP has not stated what he is buying so that may or may not be relevant. I know this discussion could spin out of control, and I don't want that. Please clarify your comment and I'll be quiet. Thanks.


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Re: Bill of Sale
kclark2227 #1303021 Thu Mar 14 2019 03:32 PM
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"No Advance-Design trucks were frame stamped from the factory. Correct? "

Yes, that is correct, Frank50 (except that some people have stated that a code was stamped on the frame by California).

Nonetheless, my DMV inspector (and the main office in Raleigh) maintain that a code was stamped into the frame by GM (on A-D era trucks). I would like to know the experiences of other NC registrants (who successfully registered out of state purchased A-D trucks).


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE [1954advance-design.com] - now part of Dave's family
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Bill of Sale
tclederman #1303054 Thu Mar 14 2019 08:39 PM
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I am Murphy N.C.the inspector came to the house to inspect my 56 GMC he looked at the vin tag and title number to make sure they match and bill of sale the truck did not have a motor. The truck was titled in GA. before he signed the paperwork and left said I was good to go. Few weeks later got my N.C. title.

Re: Bill of Sale
tclederman #1303058 Thu Mar 14 2019 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tclederman
"No Advance-Design trucks were frame stamped from the factory. Correct? "

Yes, that is correct, Frank50 (except that some people have stated that a code was stamped on the frame by California).

Nonetheless, my DMV inspector (and the main office in Raleigh) maintain that a code was stamped into the frame by GM (on A-D era trucks). I would like to know the experiences of other NC registrants (who successfully registered out of state purchased A-D trucks).

Don't know who this fellow is but it is 2017 info and he invites emails. Down in the Chevy section he states that first chassis stamp was 1955.
http://www.automotivetimelines.com/...tors-vehicle-identification-number-help/

According to this document, and unless the DMV has any conflicting document, just urban legend or misinformation, the inspector is correct about some "GM" (notice the other "GM" makers in this link) but he is not correct for AD Chevy trucks. The author seems to say all Chevrolet started stamping in 1955. He does not separate truck/car. GMC has no stamp thru 1966.
A logical, and possibly legal challenge, if ever necessary, is that if a seemingly original factory frame is not stamped and there is no indication of fill-in, grind off or tampering, then obviously the factory didn't stamp it.

Tim already knows all this. He knows there are no stamps. This is just for posterity in this thread and ammo for a rogue inspector. The following shows where serial numbers (as the VIN was called) are located and therefore where they are not located.
http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/chevyresto/54057.htm


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I charge $0.02 for every opinion and I take Paypal.
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Re: Bill of Sale
kclark2227 #1303145 Fri Mar 15 2019 02:21 PM
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I can tell you for sure that my 1953 5 window did not have any numbers on the frame. I was very intimate with my cab off frame rstoration and my frame was cleaned to the bare metal.

Last edited by sstock; Fri Mar 15 2019 02:21 PM.

1953 Chevrolet 3100
261 cu inch, sm420, 3.55 rear, torque tube still,omaha orange, still 6 volt, RPO green glass, side carrier spare, all done
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305 Big Block V6, sm420, the next cab off restoration
Re: Bill of Sale
sstock #1303246 Sat Mar 16 2019 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sstock
I was very intimate with my cab off frame restoration ......


Hmmmmm....... grin


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