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Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1310370 Sat May 11 2019 02:28 PM
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Very cool project. Keep us updated.

Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1310418 Sat May 11 2019 10:19 PM
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I think its really fun to see you doing this.

Brilliant that you have chosen this as a project and it looks very much like you are doing it right.

The originals caused way more trouble for the opposition than they cost in dollars or men. They were strictly ingenuity and make do on a tight schedule.

Some will complain that you are mucking up a nice Chevrolet, I think you are creating something much more than an original restoration could ever be. It will honor the brave men that built the first ones and risked their lives in the desert.


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1969 T50 fire truck, almost nos, needs a few things
Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1310461 Sun May 12 2019 03:29 AM
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Did you split the fenders or did you find some rare factory wide ones? I have two pair of wide fenders for '41-'47 GMC, didn't know if the made ones for earlier trucks.

Ed


'37 GMC T-18 w/ DD 4-53T, RTO-610, 6231 aux., '95 GMC running gear, full disc brakes, power steering, 22.5 wheels and tires.
'47 GMC 1 ton w/ 302, NP-540, 4wd, full width Blazer front axle.
'54 GMC 630 w/ 503 gasser, 5 speed, ex fire truck, shortened WB 4', install 8' bed.
Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1310466 Sun May 12 2019 04:11 AM
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Hello Ed, I split the fenders according to the military specs. of the time, which was a real pain in the neck,,, Do you think that the fenders you have would fit my truck? What model option truck did they fit originally? Can you post photos? Thank you.


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Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: sweepleader] #1310489 Sun May 12 2019 02:31 PM
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Hello Sweepleader,

It is fun in the sense that no one has done the early WB trucks in the US as far as I know, only the 41-43 models which reside in California... In the UK there are at least two of these early trucks reproduced, as the only one original survivor resides in the Imperial War Museum... I am trying to be as historically accurate as I can, but there are limitations. In terms of many parts (a lot has to be fabricated/finding used ones has proven very costly ) and even tires... Original wartime sizes are not available and one has to compromise...

Indeed, for such a small group of men they sure caused quite a bit of havoc against the Italian and German armies in Northern Africa...One great advantage was that many years earlier men such as Ralph Bagnold had traveled the desert with a small expedition and mapped many parts of the terrain, knowledge that was worth its weight in gold during the war... They were never expected to appear in many places and there they were, always harassing and disrupting the enemy convoys and destroying valuable supplies and fuel...

As for the trucks, initially they were purchased straight out of the GM dealerships in Alexandria and converted quickly but there were some units that came from the Indian Army as well... Out of nothing and very quickly they had to come up with trucks big enough to carry the weapons and supplies needed, but not too heavy as to be a problem in terms of weight or fuel consumption... That is why the (Ford) 4x4 units were tested but not utilized because they were impractical...

Now regarding possibly mucking up a nice truck, everything that I am doing can be reversed... I still have the original Budd wheels, the fenders would have to replaced and the rest of the truck will not be cut up... I have decided to keep the original cab after finding that there are no 1.5 ton open express trucks anywhere, especially 39-40 years... Despite wanting to present a small tribute to the men of the LRDP/LRDG group by doing this truck, I am all for preservation... I have kept the original 216, 6 volt system, saved every original W1 marked bolt I could keep,etc... So, I hope that I can be forgiven by the purists for doing this... My biggest let down, parts availability/prices and some vendors... I will just leave that there...

In terms of other support, I appreciate the words of encouragement by all members here, and I will try to post updates as quickly as I can. Still, I don't want to get off topic, but if anyone knows of someone that can help with good used parts it would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1310490 Sun May 12 2019 02:36 PM
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Phil,

Mine are a direct bolt on '41-'47 GMC. Only came on 1.5 ton that I know of, so have wheel cutout for 20" tires. I'll look for some px.

Ed

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'37 GMC T-18 w/ DD 4-53T, RTO-610, 6231 aux., '95 GMC running gear, full disc brakes, power steering, 22.5 wheels and tires.
'47 GMC 1 ton w/ 302, NP-540, 4wd, full width Blazer front axle.
'54 GMC 630 w/ 503 gasser, 5 speed, ex fire truck, shortened WB 4', install 8' bed.
Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1310492 Sun May 12 2019 02:58 PM
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Hello Ed,

Thank you for posting the photos... I had never seen these before, very interesting.


Philippe Jeanneau
Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1311031 Sat May 18 2019 12:37 AM
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At last I have the widened fenders on the truck... A little more work remains, extending the fender braces and cutting the running boards on the inside so they can be bolted... For now I will leave them as they are resting on the inside of the fender... Later on I will have to extend all of them out to match the outside of the fender. A second set will be used for that on the front but more than likely the rears will have to be cut straight as well... I'm reluctant to go forward because of that at the moment...Need to rethink my options. Though overall I am happy to have replicated the war-time configuration on the truck...

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Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1311035 Sat May 18 2019 01:36 AM
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The truck is looking great. It is really going to be different when you get it all together.

It's hard to tell, is the front track width the same as the rear? The rear wheels look like they are inboard a ways compared to the fronts.


1962 K10 short step side, much modified for rally
1969 T50 fire truck, almost nos, needs a few things
Re: Other wheel Options for 1.5 ton trucks [Re: Philipj] #1311042 Sat May 18 2019 03:04 AM
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Thank you... If I remember correctly, the rear tires fall within the old footprint of the dual wheels while the front is over about 1.5" from the original setup...


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