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Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: pdlightning] #1254990
Wed Feb 14 2018 06:38 PM
Wed Feb 14 2018 06:38 PM
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Dusty53  Offline
Shop Shark
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 395
North East Missouri, USA
Originally Posted by pdlightning
I switched my 1 ton from 5:14 to 4:10 and have the typical 4 speed. It works great around town, but has a hard time an any grade or hill pulling the hill in 4th. FYI

I've been following this 4:10 swap thread and others that are similar, this is the first time I've read about the 4:10 and the issue of pulling hills in fourth gear. Appreciate the information as I've been contemplating the swap. Maybe some other Bolters will share their experience?

Last edited by Dusty53; Wed Feb 14 2018 06:39 PM.

Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: Mrf1002u] #1254993
Wed Feb 14 2018 07:08 PM
Wed Feb 14 2018 07:08 PM
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Grigg  Online
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Lexington, VA
Sure, it won't pull as hard in 4th on a hill with 4.10 as it will with 5.14, that's expected.
In my experience it still does just fine, I once passed a semi truck headed up a good hill on I-64, 4th gear, probably 55-65 MPH. That was flat out and didn't need to down shift.

Other steeper hills on local roads you'll down shift, but not always, and I don't see that as an issue.

There will always be hills you have to down shift on, depending on how steep, long, and how fast you can or can't go.


I say go for the swap and don't look back.

If you drive along in high gear and absentmindedly press in the clutch and reach for one more higher gear... It means you're not geared to fast.
I still do this with 4.10 axle gears sometimes.. but not all the time like with 5.14.


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: Mrf1002u] #1254998
Wed Feb 14 2018 07:36 PM
Wed Feb 14 2018 07:36 PM
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Dusty53  Offline
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Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 395
North East Missouri, USA
Hey, that's a good point.....searching for that next gear. Thanks Grigg, I needed the reminder.


Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: Dusty53] #1255059
Thu Feb 15 2018 12:28 PM
Thu Feb 15 2018 12:28 PM
John Milliman  Offline

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St. Mary's Co., MD
Originally Posted by Dusty53
Appreciate the information as I've been contemplating the swap. Maybe some other Bolters will share their experience?


Dusty -- For awhile, I ran the 216/4.10/4-speed SM420/17-inch wheel combo on my 3804. My truck could maintain 70-ish on a flat just fine (but you could tell that was all there was wink ) but as soon as I hit a headwind (or even much of a breeze, let alone wind) or any kind of a hill, it went to 55. A real hill meant dropping a gear. or two ... Not really a show stopper, just more of a slight annoyance at times. And in the back of my mind, I was always worried about what running at the upper right corner of the "Horsepower/thrust Curve" was doing to my valiant splasher 216...

Then I switched to a 261 and ... well, I no longer have these issues wink And the still-good 216 is sleeping peacefully in the corner... for now ...

Just my data point FWIW.

John


John

'49 Chevrolet 3804
'70 Boston Whaler Sakonnet w/ '84 Evinrude 90



Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: Mrf1002u] #1255077
Thu Feb 15 2018 02:52 PM
Thu Feb 15 2018 02:52 PM
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panel fan  Online
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Posts: 61
Whitby Ontario Canada

After messing around with rear ends I found the switching to an overdrive transmission was the answer. I can actually up shift while climbing a grade,and even when I climb a serious grade and have to down shift the gears are closer together so not much speed is lost. I have a 4.57 rear with a t 5 and 5800 lb 1 ton. and the original 235.
Its by no means a power house, but I can keep up with traffic.


good planning is no substitute for dumb luck
Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: John Milliman] #1255085
Thu Feb 15 2018 03:20 PM
Thu Feb 15 2018 03:20 PM
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Dusty53  Offline
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Posts: 395
North East Missouri, USA
Thanks John and Panel Fan - you know, I think I'll eventually get the 4.10 put in and just see how it goes. Right now I've got so much left to do to get mine back on the road that I need to stop the future planning and get back to work on the truck. I appreciate you guys sharing your experiences.


Ronnie
1954 Chevy 3604 - A work in progress...

" You can't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you're still in hell"
Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: Mrf1002u] #1255860
Wed Feb 21 2018 06:12 PM
Wed Feb 21 2018 06:12 PM
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Charles Pretzer  Offline
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Joined: May 2016
Posts: 42
Elmdale kansas planet earth
I'd trade a 5:14 for a 4:10 . Live in elmdale ks. 66850


I just finished a 1946 chevy pickup street rod
now on a 1950 chevy 3100 street rod.
Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: Mrf1002u] #1255887
Wed Feb 21 2018 08:43 PM
Wed Feb 21 2018 08:43 PM
tclederman  Offline
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Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 26,355
Jarvisburg, NC
This is not the Swap Meet.

Either contact Ronnie via email or Private Message, or, place a part for sale ad in the Swap Meet.

If you are trying to Swap your 4.10 for a 5.14, you should get a few "takers/swappers".


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 47 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: HO52/72 4.10 swap [Re: Mrf1002u] #1256782
Wed Feb 28 2018 02:25 PM
Wed Feb 28 2018 02:25 PM
John Milliman  Offline

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Joined: Nov 1995
Posts: 3,762
St. Mary's Co., MD
Or contact Larry (The OP for this thread) as he was the guy who set up the pumpkin trades for a lot of us.


John

'49 Chevrolet 3804
'70 Boston Whaler Sakonnet w/ '84 Evinrude 90



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