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How to talk to a veteran #1242747
Thu Nov 09 2017 08:03 PM
Thu Nov 09 2017 08:03 PM
John Milliman  Offline OP
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Joined: Nov 1995
Posts: 4,075
St. Mary's Co., MD
Excellent article -- worth a read

Fellow vets ... discussion? Thoughts?

I like what the author said, especially about "Thank you for your service" -- I, too, find it trite and insincere. I never considered it "service" anyway. It was the way of life I wanted for myself. I got paid to go camping in exotic places with some of my best buddies and I was never given a meal I couldn't eat.

Some of my favorite memories -- Invited to dine in the Chief's mess aboard USS St Louis ... Getting to be conning officer of USS New Jersey underway in the Gulf of Thailand at 25 knots for 25 minutes... Watching a gorgeous sunset from the sail of a ballistic missile submarine (USS Sam Rayburn) underway on the surface in the North Atlantic ... on my birthday ... Volunteering for a weekend duty where I ended up meeting my wife ... Having an absolutely flawless FAM-13 check ride and then flying the T-34C alone for the first (and last ... frown ) time ... Having the SgtMaj hand me a warm cup of instant coffee as we huddled in the snow in Korea waiting for a mock attack ... Teaching my daughters how to snorkel in the East China Sea ... Sharing a plate of yaki soba from a roadside stand in Nago, Okinawa on New Year's Morning with my wife ... Standing Christmas Eve and Christmas Morning duty as Command Duty Officer at Kaneohe and taking my wife and children to Christmas Dinner in the enlisted chow hall and inviting some young, single Marines who were a long way from home to join us...

Absolutely priceless moments.

Semper Fi,
John


John

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Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1242761
Thu Nov 09 2017 11:10 PM
Thu Nov 09 2017 11:10 PM
2-Ton  Offline
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Posts: 3,416
Mokane ,Mo.
To John and others that have served.
As some of you know, I did not serve in the military.
Ask me in person and I'll tell you why.

But that write up, helped me understand, to talk about the positive aspects of being in the military.

I do use the term in passing to someone I don't know and say "Thanks for your service".
This applies to Military, LEO's, Firefighter's, EMT's and a whole lot more, that give a good part of their life
to ensure we live the best that we can live.

Thanks
Don King



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Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1242763
Thu Nov 09 2017 11:21 PM
Thu Nov 09 2017 11:21 PM
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Allen Lane  Offline
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Posts: 1,438
Texas
Well that's good to know guys. Every time I see a vet cap or shirt I always thank the guys, maybe they are just being nice, but they seem to appreciate it.....I personally would feel guilty if I didn't recognize them. It is never insincere. My dad failed the physical, my step dad was a Vietnam vet, and he always beamed when someone thanked him for his service in public...he was proud to be recognized. Speak up vets if most of you feel like John, I may never do it again.


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Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1242765
Thu Nov 09 2017 11:54 PM
Thu Nov 09 2017 11:54 PM
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Hotrod Lincoln  Online
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Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 18,412
Dellrose, TN
It took me 40 years to decide to wear a "Viet Nam Vet" cap, and I probably still wouldn't be doing it if a good friend who flew F-4's over there hadn't given me the cap and insisted that I wear it. Since my 4 years of Southeast Asia time was spent in areas all around Viet Nam like Okinawa and Thailand, not "in country", I never felt I qualified- - - -lots of other guys had a lot rougher time than I did. True- - - -flying the occasional combat mission on a B-52 while doing last minute repairs on the electronics exposed me to anti-aircraft fire and SAM's, but somehow it just didn't seem right to claim that distinction.

When a young, healthy-looking person says "Thanks", sometimes I'm tempted to remind them that recruiting offices are still in business. The tradition of military service in my family goes back to the 1760's, and includes a grandson who just completed a hitch in the Marines with a permanent disability to show for it. Dad flew B-17's, an uncle swam through burning oil on D-Day and was scarred for life, and my grandfather's younger brother died on the beach during the invasion of Okinawa. There was never a question in my mind that I owed my country a bit of my life to earn the privilege of the freedom I enjoy- - - - -I just wish a few more of today's Americans felt the same way.

I had a long conversation with a young man about 10 years old in a store a few days ago, and I was proud to answer his questions and share a little of my perspective on what it means to serve- - - -I hope he, and many more like him will choose to continue the tradition!
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

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Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1242816
Fri Nov 10 2017 01:49 PM
Fri Nov 10 2017 01:49 PM
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sstock  Offline
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Gig Harbor, WA
Thank you all for your service. My own father is on hospice now as a result of his part in Vietnam. It is hard to imagine that his exposure to Agent Orange is now taking another vietnam casualty of war almost 50 years later. But that is the sad reality, veterans of all ages are suffering while we are sitting here typing. That is why it pi$$es me off so bad to see those prima donnas take a knee on the football field during the time that respect should be shown to those that made this country safe to make football watching in the first place.

Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1242870
Fri Nov 10 2017 10:00 PM
Fri Nov 10 2017 10:00 PM
Justhorsenround  Offline
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Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,166
El Reno, Okla
Worthwhile read. I can’t recall ever being asked any of the “correct “ questions. Personally I can tolerate the “Thanks for your service” comment but I would much prefer a firm handshake and a simple thanks.🇺🇸


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Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1242905
Sat Nov 11 2017 04:19 AM
Sat Nov 11 2017 04:19 AM
Achipmunk  Offline
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Some good things do happen. Today my 12 year old grand daughter asked me to come to her school for Veterans day. I must brag on the middle school.
They had escorts to take us to the auditorium and while there we were called out name by name and branch we served. We were entertained by the school band and the chorus sang. All music and songs were patriotic and a couple nice talks were given about the history of Veterans Day. One teacher sang the song Lee Greenwood make famous (God bless the USA) and just about everyone was in tears. I noticed even the children were very reverent and said the pledge, with ALL the words, put their hand over their heart when appropriate. I think all veterans walked out proud to be a part of the program. Thanks to my little town for all their efforts. It does give me/us hope that someone is teaching our kids the right way. The hand crafted cards were very nice as well. I'll put mine with the others that I cherish.


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Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1242919
Sat Nov 11 2017 01:31 PM
Sat Nov 11 2017 01:31 PM
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ndkid275  Offline
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Northern VA
Guys, as much as I agree with all of you, remember that less than 1/2% of the US has actually served in the military. If they have not served, they will never understand the sacrifice (and fun) that we have all endured. It bothers me also, I figure I will affect what I can (my family) and try to understand where these kids are coming from.

My kids school had a great veterans appreciation program that brought tears to my eyes.

Chris

Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1243036
Sun Nov 12 2017 04:38 PM
Sun Nov 12 2017 04:38 PM
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Hotrod Lincoln  Online
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Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 18,412
Dellrose, TN
A bunch of us old geezers who can still straddle a motorcycle ride with the Patriot Guard Riders. We stand a silent flag line at funerals for veterans and first responders, ride escort for their funeral processions, and visit veterans' homes, etc. A lot of us are VN era vets who do our part to make sure younger vets and active duty service members will never receive the kind of rejection and hostility we did 40-something years ago. You don't need to be a vet, or even ride a bike to join the group- - - -membership is free, and open to all- - - -just log onto the PGR website and be willing to volunteer a little time on a flag line, or maybe drive a support vehicle on an escort mission.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: How to talk to a veteran [Re: John Milliman] #1243103
Mon Nov 13 2017 01:18 AM
Mon Nov 13 2017 01:18 AM
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Allen Lane  Offline
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Texas
Watched a good program this morning about a movie coming out called Heroes of Old Hickory where a division of Carolina National Guard held a high position against Hitler's SS 4 tank divisions. If I were ever lucky enough to be in these fella's company, it would be as unnatural for me to not thank them for their service and get a handshake as to quit breathing.
.https://teachinghistorymatters.com/tag/heroes-of-old-hickory/


Allen
Yeah, well, that's just like, you know , your opinion, man - The Dude

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