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Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
#1231916 Fri Aug 25 2017 04:17 AM
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J Lucas Offline OP
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Will it do any harm to just plug the holes temporarily on the block until my hoses get here. It's a 235 (56-57) vintage. The hoses have been on back order for a couple weeks and they (Classic and Carters both) cannot give me a date to when they will be available. I just want to get it running so I can get it tuned, debugged etc. Not to mention it would be nice to move it around under its own power. I will not be running it very much until I get them.

John

Last edited by J Lucas; Fri Aug 25 2017 04:24 AM.

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Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1231936 Fri Aug 25 2017 12:48 PM
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Boltergeist
Why wait on one of the resto-ripoff outfits to get enough orders to commission a production run? (which is what they're doing) Any hydraulic shop can make up a set of those lines, using 1/8" NPT swivel fittings on at least one end. Since single braid hydraulic lines are designed to withstand running oil at 3000 PSI and temperatures far above anything stovebolt motor oil will ever get, you'll have a better set of lines with no frustrating wait!
Jerry


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Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1231969 Fri Aug 25 2017 04:29 PM
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If you are attaching the filter canister to the intake manifold, you can run hard lines using 1/4" copper or nicopp tubing and standard compression fittings instead of using flexible hoses. The block and canister fittings are all 1/8" NPT. No risk of bursting or cracked hoses.

Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1231987 Fri Aug 25 2017 06:04 PM
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I already have them ordered from Classic. If I don't get them in a couple weeks I'll just cancel the order and have a hydraulic shop make them for me. But for now I will just plug the holes with pipe plugs. I just wanted to make sure that I wouldn't do any harm to the engine.

Thanks for the info.

John



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1941 Chevy 1/2-Ton
1942 Chevy 1.5-Ton SWB
1959 Chevy Apache 31 Fleetside
1959 Chevy Apache 32 Fleetside
1959 Chevy Viking 40

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Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1232094 Sat Aug 26 2017 05:28 AM
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Instead of plugging the holes in the block, one of the old lines was in good enough shape to connect the two oil ports together. Now the oil will flow as it is supposed to, it is just not being filtered. I just changed the oil, so at least I'm not circulating dirty oil. Temporary solution at best, but at least now I can move the truck around under it's own power until I get the new lines that are on back order or just make new ones.

Thanks for all of the ideas.

John


J Lucas





1941 Chevy 1/2-Ton
1942 Chevy 1.5-Ton SWB
1959 Chevy Apache 31 Fleetside
1959 Chevy Apache 32 Fleetside
1959 Chevy Viking 40

My Flicker Photos! [flickr.com]

Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1232113 Sat Aug 26 2017 02:03 PM
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There is no problem with running a line, but it affects nothing, really. Actually, no oil filter was "normal".


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- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1232115 Sat Aug 26 2017 02:20 PM
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"Instead of plugging the holes in the block, one of the old lines was in good enough shape to connect the two oil ports together." Sounds like a bad plan to me. You are missing the resistance of the bypass filter. That would result in little or no oil pressure.

Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1232121 Sat Aug 26 2017 02:38 PM
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A bypass filter for one of these engines needs to have a 1/16" diameter restriction somewhere in the plumbing or else you could starve the bearings of oil. The AC units had it about 2/3 of the way up the tube inside the filter canister. Spin-on's can be plumbed in, but a 1/16" orifice needs to be added somewhere in the lines. If you search this website, you will find ideas of how to do that.

Based on that, I would not connect the two ports with an unrestricted line. Plug them instead, the way they came from the factory. Connecting them without a restriction could divert too much oil pressure out of the oil gallery and starve the bearings.

Matt

Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1232122 Sat Aug 26 2017 02:43 PM
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Boltergeist
Connecting the two ports without a restrictor will starve the rest of the engine for oil- - - - -it's just getting pumped right back into the oil pan without doing any lubricating. Either install the correct filter, or plug the ports. A 261 set up for full flow filtering (and no filter) is the only one that needs a connector pipe, and that one needs to be a full half inch in diameter.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Oil Filter Lines on Back Order
J Lucas #1232317 Mon Aug 28 2017 12:25 AM
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Message received, many thanks for that one. I never would have thought, that would starve the engine.

As luck would have it, I have not been able to run the engine as I need a temp sending unit. I spent half a day yesterday trying to find one. Problem is an original will not fit as there is a reducer already screwed in the head that doesn't want to budge and I do not want to risk breaking it off. I have two other 235's for parts and they both have the same reducer screwed in but they do not have the sending units. I tried Napa, Advanced Auto, O'Reilly's and Auto Zone with no luck. So far searching online has not been helpful either. I did locate a 16MM sending unit that I can possibly make work by re-tapping the reducer. It almost want to go in as is, but I can feel that the threads are not right.

If any of you guys are in KC for the re-union in a couple weeks, I would like to buy you a cold beverage or two.

Thanks again

John


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1941 Chevy 1/2-Ton
1942 Chevy 1.5-Ton SWB
1959 Chevy Apache 31 Fleetside
1959 Chevy Apache 32 Fleetside
1959 Chevy Viking 40

My Flicker Photos! [flickr.com]

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