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Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229748
Sat Aug 12 2017 06:12 PM
Sat Aug 12 2017 06:12 PM
tclederman  Online
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Jarvisburg, NC
JW51,

Good question, good answer, and good use of "dipper" rather than splasher. Anyone who knows better, and knows GM engine specs/history, knows that a real splash-oil engine is a far different engine than a 216 and from the similar low-pressure 235s (1941-1953).

However, the early low-pressure 235 was a relatively uncommon engine (as you noted) - only used/optional on lower-production large trucks.

But, the low-pressure 235 would be noticeably more powerful than a 216.


Tim
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1954 3106 Carryall Suburban - part of the family for 47 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic
Z-series (54/55) GMC 350 (2-ton) COE
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engine are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler.
Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229759
Sat Aug 12 2017 07:58 PM
Sat Aug 12 2017 07:58 PM
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Even though I don't mind using inaccurate terminology when it makes the same point, I know it can be a pet peeve for Professor Lederman. That dipper was for you, Tim.

As long as we are on the topic of unneeded power in obsolete engines, what's the max overbore on a dipper 235? And how many cubic inches would it translate to?

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Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229760
Sat Aug 12 2017 08:08 PM
Sat Aug 12 2017 08:08 PM
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The 216 in my 49 leaks oil out of every seal it's got, has blowby so bad that I smell like I've been working all day in an oil refinery after a 1/2 hr cruise, needs to be down shifted to 2nd on steep hills and rarely hits 13 mpg and with all that said I still can't make myself swap it out with a freshly rebuilt full pressure 235 collecting dust in the corner of my shop.

I even get these strange thoughts whilst on my extended cruises on pulling it out and attempting to stop all the leaks, and perhaps some new rings and mains to stop the blowby and increase the oil pressure (which avg's 7 psi when warmed).
I figure I must be breathing too much blowby LOL...

Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229761
Sat Aug 12 2017 08:15 PM
Sat Aug 12 2017 08:15 PM
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Hotrod Lincoln  Online
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A 235 has a 3 9/16" bore size, and it can take a 60 thousandths overbore comfortably. I've even seen a few go 80 over, but I think that's pushing the envelope a little. A 60 overbore would probably gain about 7-8 cubic inches, just as a wild guess, not enough to really affect compression or power a noticeable amount, IMHO.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229837
Sun Aug 13 2017 12:20 PM
Sun Aug 13 2017 12:20 PM
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Well I guess this thread has digressed to random engine trivia, I guess my submission is okay... the original poster wants to learn about engines anyway.

The first year the low oil pressure 235 went into production was 1941, and only in the WW2 military trucks. Below is an image of a very similar 1942 235, notice the unique deep sump oil pan. Also notice the oil pan actually has "235" stamped on it.

[img]http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/3285/medium/IMG_19215.JPG[/img]

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Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229839
Sun Aug 13 2017 12:38 PM
Sun Aug 13 2017 12:38 PM
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Hotrod Lincoln  Online
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Paul, that site is asking for a password- - - - -can you make it "general access" instead of members only?
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: Hotrod Lincoln] #1229844
Sun Aug 13 2017 12:44 PM
Sun Aug 13 2017 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotrod Lincoln
Paul, that site is asking for a password- - - - -can you make it "general access" instead of members only?
Jerry

Hmm, stand by

Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229845
Sun Aug 13 2017 12:49 PM
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Try it now...let me know if it works.

Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229859
Sun Aug 13 2017 02:10 PM
Sun Aug 13 2017 02:10 PM
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Never seen that oil pan. Was that a military thing?

Re: Question for Engine Purchase [Re: youngclassicfan] #1229861
Sun Aug 13 2017 02:34 PM
Sun Aug 13 2017 02:34 PM
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Hotrod Lincoln  Online
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That oil pan is definitely a military thing- - - -none of the 235's that were paired up with Powerglide transmissions from 1950 forward had anything anything like that. They did have "235" stamped into the pan in big numbers to prevent a mismatch with a 216 oil pan. The measurements for checking rod dipper and oil pan trough position were definitely different, and required the use of a different checking fixture.
Jerry


The murder victim was drowned in a bathtub full of Rice Krispies and milk.
The coroner blamed the crime on a cereal killer!

Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
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