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oldbluetruck #1126817 Tue Sep 29 2015 01:20 AM
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Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer)
No problem- - - -You're very wise to start with the basics, which is how these engines ran for decades. They were designed to respond to tuning efforts by mechanics with limited access to measuring equipment (or none at all) under some very primitive field conditions. It's possible to do a perfectly acceptable job of setting timing without even running the engine, and that's the way the "pointer and ball" was designed to be used. A strobe timing light helps to compensate for wear in the timing gears, distributor drive gear, and distributor shaft and bushings. Once you're comfortable with doing the basic timing procedure, we can move on to more sophisticated procedures later if desired. The basic procedure will work sufficiently for the next 50-odd years without any further tweaks, however. Getting anal-retentive about stovebolt maintenance is a good way to kill time, but it's a fool's mission!
Jerry


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Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
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oldbluetruck #1126852 Tue Sep 29 2015 04:04 AM
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'Bolter
Yes. Well said. And I really thank you for your advice and encouragement.


Dennis
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oldbluetruck #1127010 Wed Sep 30 2015 02:33 AM
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'Bolter
OK. I received my new innova 5568 professional timing light. Now I'm planning to get my engine in tip top shape. Can you help me with what I need to see and where I need to go. I believe it will be good with telling me the timing and dwell. I'm not sure what the dwell will say and what I need it to be set at. Any help is appreciated. Thank you


Dennis
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oldbluetruck #1127016 Wed Sep 30 2015 02:43 AM
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Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer)
OK- - - -for now, ignore the "dwell" part- - - - -it just confuses the issue. Set the point gap to specification, and don't worry about dwell. I don't have any experience with the Innova light- - - -I use professional-grade tools and my timing light is a Snap-On. There should be a way to set the timing advance indicator to zero and use the light as if it did not have an "advance" function. Connect the power leads to a good source of battery voltage and ground, and attach the flash trigger lead to the #1 spark plug wire. With the engine running at idle and the vacuum line disconnected from the distributor and plugged, turn the distributor housing until the flash shows the ball aligned with the pointer. Lock the distributor adjustment down. The timing is set.
Jerry


"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln
Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
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oldbluetruck #1127097 Wed Sep 30 2015 03:29 PM
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'Bolter
So, dwell deals with the points? I have the Petronics electronic ignition system. Can I take back this timing light system with dwell and get just the one that has the light? That would save me about $80. Thanks again.


Dennis
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oldbluetruck #1127099 Wed Sep 30 2015 03:42 PM
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Bubba - Curmudgeon
If you take it back, get a $12.99 vacuum gauge and you will be able to keep your stovebolt-six tuned just as well as the engines of those who fiddle with gauge/metered-timing to set to the timing mark (and, you can also nicely adjust the carburetor using the vacuum gauge).


Tim
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1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
oldbluetruck #1127215 Thu Oct 01 2015 01:46 AM
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Renaissance Man
Hey HRL, since the Stovebolt vacuum advance only functions when the throttle valve opens (unlike many V8s), is it still necessary to disconnect the vacuum line? The Factory Book says to leave it connected (or at least makes no mention of disconnecting it)
Carl

oldbluetruck #1127317 Thu Oct 01 2015 05:04 PM
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'Bolter
Thanks Tim. Do you use a timing light with the vacuum gauge?


Dennis
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oldbluetruck #1127324 Thu Oct 01 2015 05:18 PM
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Bubba - Curmudgeon
You could use both.

But, I now only use the vacuum gauge.

The formulation of gasolines make the original timing marks only close/adequate. Moreover, we often do not know what vehicle our flywheels came off of. The timing marks on the flywheels (for the timing lights) might not be correct for the engine and peripherals.

Besides, the vacuum gauge is quicker and easier (and allows for a quick adjustment of the carburetor/s).


Tim
1954Advance-Design.com [1954advance-design.com]
1954 3106 Carryall Suburban [stovebolt.com] - part of the family for 49 years
1954 3104 5-window pickup w/Hydra-Matic [1954advance-design.com] - part of the family for 15 years
- If you have to stomp on your foot-pedal starter, either you, or your starter, or your engine, has a problem.
- The 216 and early 235 engines are not "splash oilers" - this is a splash oiler. [chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com]
oldbluetruck #1127334 Thu Oct 01 2015 06:39 PM
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'Bolter
Hi Tim. Thank you. I do have a vacuum gauge but will be learning. I thought that I needed a timing light to set the timing and agree with you on the flywheel and bell housing. I am running 6 volts, so the flywheel is from a 216, and the bell housing fits the 235. I have what I have. I need a lot of help to tune it. Thank you for your advice.


Dennis
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