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#1016703 Tue Mar 25 2014 10:42 AM
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joker Offline OP
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this is crazy
can't be safe aboard ship..


Redryder

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I am fighting cancer and I am winning the fight

A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of "up to and including my life."

Pain is part of life; misery is an option.

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'Bolter
I don't doubt stuff like this happened in the past. I can't
believe there was never a shooting on board ship before. You
can bet your bottom dollar that there was plenty of this going
on during our wars and after the occupation. When I was
stationed at Clark there was always some GI getting stabbed or
shot, but not on base.
The thing that I really don't understand is this, "Will make
sure sailors aboard ship have the counselors they need and the
people they can talk to."
I'm hearing this everywhere when ever something bad happens. Did
our generation really grow up so screwed up from the world
around us that the younger crowd feels that it has to go to
counseling every time anything tragic or out of the ordinary
happens to them? I'm hearing about it with school kids, cops,
fire men, our marines, after someone on the block gets shot by
another gang member. Growing up in the 50's when I was in high
school I can recall Fleetwood's accident which killed him and
Phyllis S. and put the others in the car in the hospital for
weeks. Then there was Denny, one of the gang who ran into a
telephone pole at midnight in the middle of winter and laid in
the crashed car till sun up before they found him, then he
spent nearly a year recoping. Dwayne Simmons stopped by the
house after school and then drove his Harley 45 in to the back
of a tuning car at 70 miles an hour on his way home, DOA. I
remember the night we went on a call with the tow truck while
working at the Sinclair station. A little girl had been run over
on her bike by a semi on rt34 and was still wedged in the
trailers rear wheels when we got there. What these incidents
taught me was to use caution and not to put myself in those
situations. No counselling needed, and heck, I'm still perfectly
adjusted.
What ever happened with just taking life as it's thrown at you
and learning from it.

Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 446
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Shop Shark
You've brought up a point I've wondered about too, Denny. Same thing here, back in the early 70's we were heading to school on our bus when we came across an accident where a classmate and her Mom on the way to school in their car were hit by a train. It had just happened and both were killed. Our classmates body was laying there by the tracks not more than 20 feet away from our full bus as we slowly made our way through the mayhem. As far as I know, no one ever questioned any of us or offered any help or guidance.
Can still picture the image clear as day in my head even though it's been over 40 years.

Bob

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joker Offline OP
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so what you are saying is, suck it up and move on...

maybe the experts now know that some might need help,they may need meds to get thru it all, and then maybe even more later,
we would not want to put lawyers or counselors out of work, would we? when I was in the Navy we had very few civilians around, unless we were in dry docks..most of the work we did our self, not a lot of this contract stuff.. at least security shot the sob...




Redryder

My Hotrod

I am fighting cancer and I am winning the fight

A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of "up to and including my life."

Pain is part of life; misery is an option.

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'Bolter
Back in 2001, we had an earthquake. Some old building fronts slid down. I don't think there were any fatalities.

Three days later, our office was told that a counselor would be available and there would be a mandatory office meeting with the counselor.

Luckily, at the time I had a pager. It would beep when you turned it off. Ten minutes into the meeting, I reached into my pocket and turned it off. It beeped, and I pulled it out and pretended to read a phone number, announced that I had to make an emergency call, and left the room. Grabbed my tool kit, jumped in the van, and went and had lunch.



"Happiness equals reality minus expectations" - Tom Magliozzi
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joker Offline OP
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I had a real neat boss that shot and killed himself.
I was close to him at work, they asked if I wanted to see our
counselor, so I went... his statement, Fred,if a person wants to kill them self they will,no way to stop them....ok, I went back to work, this was in 1991


Redryder

My Hotrod

I am fighting cancer and I am winning the fight

A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of "up to and including my life."

Pain is part of life; misery is an option.

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 15,856
'Bolter
What are the "counselors" telling folks when they talk to them?
That's its OK to feel bad.... That nothing bad will ever happen like that to them? They make such a big deal out of it. I've had some major tragedies in my life, same as probably most of you, and the lessons I learned was not from any counselor. What are our kids, and grandkids being taught.

The "Cherokee Choker" picked up/kidnapped and killed several girls waiting on school buses over a short period of time in my hometown. Did kids get counseling? No...did they stop waiting and riding school buses?...NO but one thing you can be sure of, even to this day, they don't let stranger near and if someone did they'd probably claw their eyeballs out! No counseling needed here. The want to live learned their lesson.

Yes, Joker, suck it up and move forward. Time waits on no man.

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'Bolter
Yeah, as harsh and callused as it may sound, basically that's
what I'm saying Fred. There were some thing's that happened in
basic training back at Lackland that have always bothered me.
The drill sergeants were real sob's back then and when they
spotted a troop that showed any sign of weakness they would jump
on him like a cat on a mouse. It seems harsh at the time and I
felt sorry for the victim but years later I realize the whole
point was to weed them because you wouldn't want them to buckle
in a real pressure situation.
I just think that we are raising a bunch, not all mind
you, that aren't learning to stand on their own. When
I was a kid if you weren't good enough to make the
team then you learned to stand on the sidelines and
cheer for those that did, and you worked at some other
skill that you were good at.
And you managed to somehow make it thru the ordeal with all of
your mental faculties in tact Jim Bow? How was lunch?
I realize the we all need a hand to hold when someone close to
us suffers a devastating blow. But we're over doing it when
strangers, classmates or distant coworkers are lost and they
expect us all to be effected. Then the councilors send them all
home to watch the latest chapter in the walking dead.

DG


Last edited by Denny Graham; Tue Mar 25 2014 11:20 PM.
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'Bolter
Side track here:
When I was stationed in Yokohama there was an area called Four-And-A-Half Street. It was, unoficially, set aside for guys who were on R&R from Viet Nam. One Saturday night a WW2 vet attacked and killed two young Marines with a sword. He then killed himself in the street.
We learned about it from the local English language newspaper.


"Happiness equals reality minus expectations" - Tom Magliozzi
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Posts: 9,368
joker Offline OP
Moderator, Passing Lane
Denny, agree with you, sort of like how we were brought up
with out being worried about all the safe stuff now days,
we did not worried about child proof bottles, seat belts,
baby seats, and the list goes on... we are still here..lol

Last edited by joker; Wed Mar 26 2014 12:35 AM.

Redryder

My Hotrod

I am fighting cancer and I am winning the fight

A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of "up to and including my life."

Pain is part of life; misery is an option.

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