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#571697 - Sat Sep 05 2009 01:12 PM Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts
Scott Danforth Offline
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Folks, As there are many number of solutions for front and rear suspensions, I though a definitive list would be helpful for those planning projects as well as those of us that ran into problems. I do not want to make this post a debate or discussion topic, only a list of choices by manufacturer (not necessarily distribution), and maybe links to project posts. Maybe the moderators can make it a sticky.

(PM me and I can add to list)

here is a list of items I know of off the top of my head:

1941-1947.1 Chevrolet / GMC trucks:
Dropped Axles by Sid
CE Mustang 2

1947.2-1955.1 AD (Advance Design)
Dropped Axles by Sid
CE Mustang 2
Fat Man Fabrication Mustang 2
1973-1987 1/2T IFS shortened and modified
GM Metric IFS kit
C4 Corvette IFS kit
C4 Corvette IRS Kit

1955.2-1959 TF (Task Force)
Dropped Axles by Sid
1973-1987 IFS bolted in.
link

1960-1966:

1967-1972:
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#571710 - Sat Sep 05 2009 02:41 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
Grigg Online
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Loc: Lexington, VA
Axle swaps for 1.5 ton, 2 ton, and even 1 ton.
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/bigbolts/p30swap/
This also gives a 2" drop from stock on the front, or new springs solve that problem and get the truck back up where it is supposed to be.

The front is not an easy or "bolt on" swap, the rear can be a simple bolt in, depending on what you find.

Grigg
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#585409 - Wed Oct 21 2009 09:51 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Grigg]
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#585542 - Thu Oct 22 2009 11:02 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Maybe you could a section of personnel experiences with springs and/or shocks then we could add what we found to work on our own trucks.

Joe
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#585648 - Thu Oct 22 2009 05:56 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Joe H]
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If you have a thread with a specific project we will add it to the list.
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#585818 - Fri Oct 23 2009 08:42 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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pacer ifs with 2" shorter springs from Eaton Detroit springs.
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#585859 - Fri Oct 23 2009 11:26 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: WE b OLD]
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I used the TCI front suspension package on my 55 2nd series.I have had good luck with it,course the main thing is to follow the instructions and make sure your measurments are correct.I measured and marked mine several times before welding the crossbrace in place. I also cut one coil off of the springs,and the truck has that mean and sassy look.It also drives and handles just great.Although I used the TCI setup I imagine there are several other brands on the market that will work out just as good.The main things in a new front suspension are,dont get in a hurry,and make sure your measurements are correct.Just one more thing to add here,when you are finished,get a good frontend allignment.


Edited by dale937 (Fri Oct 23 2009 11:30 AM)
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#586385 - Sun Oct 25 2009 10:08 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: dale937]
Leon Offline
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Scott,

For the 55-59 there are several source for Mustang II style fronts.

Fatman Fabrications - http://www.fatmanfab.com
HEIDTS - http://www.heidts.com
TCI Engineering - http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/

regards,
Leon
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#606543 - Sat Jan 02 2010 03:55 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Leon]
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Thanks to Rob (Mobileortho) for this link

Those putting a 73-87 front end in a truck and find it a bit wide

http://www.classicperform.com/NewProducts/ModularDropSpindles/Modular_Drop_Spindle.htm

these spindles will suck in the wheels 1 1/8" per side.
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#607573 - Tue Jan 05 2010 10:58 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Registered: Tue Sep 22 2009 10:39 PM
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Loc: Hanover, PA
i found the fatman fab mII kit to be very easy to install. we've used it on 3 ADs now. handling is great, no fender clearance issues. also found that moving the engine forward 1.0" from their recommendation helps with steering clearances.
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#908752 - Fri Jan 04 2013 04:46 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
Bread Offline
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Loc: Hampton Roads, VA
Gents,
I have went with TCI kit for the front and back end of my 39' truck. I was wanting a daily driver w/dependability that I'll stay on the road while keeping up with traffic. The kits I have are designed for the truck so all I had to do was follow the instructions provided and the the supervision of my good friend that was overlooking the work.

Bread

Mustang II,
4 link rear,
TCI
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#911732 - Mon Jan 14 2013 12:11 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Someone pointed me in the direction of a company that makes Mustang 2 kits that are a good bit cheaper than most if not all of the companies I've looked at. I've contacted him through email and he currently doesn't make corvette kits due to not having many people call wanting to use them but he offered to send a proposal.
Gayleco


Edited by BossHawg (Mon Jan 14 2013 12:29 PM)
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#919179 - Mon Feb 11 2013 02:25 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
Scott Danforth Offline
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having hung a few of the corvette components under a few vehicles, the aluminum a-arms and a-arm pivots are known to bend if you hit a good pot-hole.

I would stick with a good tubular A-arm under a truck.
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#919299 - Tue Feb 12 2013 04:59 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Great thread. I'm just getting some safety issues resolved but have this IFS conversion on my mind. I looked at the Gayleco web site and it appears that his kit does not include R&P steering but I coulda missed it...was a quick look. The CPP kit includes power R&P for about $2100

Edit: Guess I was incorrect about the R&P steering.... I would love to hear from guys who have used this kit...significant savings...


Edited by Dogface (Tue Feb 12 2013 05:05 AM)
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#923449 - Wed Feb 27 2013 01:47 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Going with a No Limit Fatbar 4-link and F*rd 8.8 on the rear of my Task Force. Fatman MII on the front, they are local so I was compelled to use them on at least one end.

Starting on the rear soon, just finished up mocking in the 21 gal aluminum No Limit EFI tank.
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#934778 - Thu Apr 11 2013 02:16 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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As a first time builder doing a complete frame off, I also installed IFS kit from TCI in my 51 Chevy shortbox build. I think for the price,quality and doing what its designed to, they have got it right. Handles quite nicely. I wouldn't hasitate to use this kit again.
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#935920 - Mon Apr 15 2013 10:25 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
Canada_Rob Offline
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Loc: Calgary Canada
Using a Welder Series Mustang 2 crossmember on the front of my '49 chevy pickup. Automotive origami!
http://www.welderseries.com/online-store/category/mustang-ii-crossmember-kits/

Haven't bought the other front end components as yet.
Speedway has some very interesting pricing though

Been looking at this setup from full tilt hotrods for the rear.
http://www.fulltiltstreetrods.com/rearsusp.htm
This system looks really tidy in the pictures and appears to be fairly easy to setup. it bolts to the factory front spring hanger holes. Has anyone tried this setup out?

I have a '96 F*rd explorer 8.8 rear axle with disk brakes, limited slip and 3.73 gears.

It is all going to sit on airbags.
I'm leaning towards the "Plug-n-Play" compressor system with height control.

Rob
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#937630 - Mon Apr 22 2013 08:15 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Scott, If you want to add this, here it is.

The crossmembers from 1963 through 1987/8 will will interchange, as will steering boxes. "A" arms will, too as will spindles. Be aware there are differences in tie rod ends, "A" arm bushings, and ball joints across the years. 1/2T fits1/2T; 3/4T fits 3/4T. I don't know about 1T. In Power Steering, somewhere around 1980 GM went metric on the steering box and pump fittings. Some of the venders have adapter tie rod ends that fit late spindles and early tie rods for 1/2Ts. All the 3/4T joints, bushings, and ends SEEM to be the same.

Power steering must use power steering pitman arm and standard steering must use standard steering pitman arm!

1960 through 1962 are totally different. I have no idea what fits what there.

Best wishes,

Les


Edited by Roadmarks (Mon Apr 22 2013 08:20 AM)
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#946770 - Thu May 30 2013 03:25 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Front IFS is done and I really like the changes in safety and driveability but it still rides like a buckboard... Yes, I realize it is 49 tech behind the IFS so what changes should I make for the rear? I want to change over to modern tube shocks, but what else ?....new leaf springs ? What have all you old time truckers done?
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#950750 - Sun Jun 16 2013 04:29 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
Shamus Offline
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I have a TCI MII w/power R&P (10-12 yrs old)under the front & a Chassis Engineering leaf spring kit under the rear of my 1st '55 w/'80 Camaro 10 bolt. It rides great - smooth. I did knock the alignment out 2 years ago on a trip to NYC & Boston because of all the pot holes, dips, rises & other failings of big city roads. Had it re-aligned & great since. I'll be making that trip again in a couple of weeks but will take it easy on the FDR (SURELY THE WORST ROAD IN THE COUNTRY). Rides and handles as good as my '93 Chevrolet Sport Truck & '04 Tahoe but a lot more fun. I have a similar set up under my '56 3100 (front & back TCI) that is not quite finished. TCI usually has some good buys at the bigger shows thru their network of venders. Free shipping. Their current MII is improved over mine to prevent alignment being knocked out.
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#954537 - Thu Jul 04 2013 06:22 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Shamus]
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Just got one of Scott's front cross member kits tacked in and I like what I have seen. Did not want to use Pinto/Mustang style IFS system. I'm using tube type frt upper arms and s10 lower arms with drop spindles. I will have far less than 2100 in mine complete and that is another plus for me. Will use someone's 4 link on the rear--haven't crossed that bridge yet but so far so good. My 2 cents....
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#956109 - Sat Jul 13 2013 03:58 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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Thanks for the kind words Don.
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#963526 - Wed Aug 14 2013 05:39 AM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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this may already be on the list but
an update might not hurt

their stuff worked well on my 52 sedan
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#977860 - Thu Oct 10 2013 09:46 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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As you know, I did the 73-87 Chevy swap but a buddy of mine on another site took it to another level. He shortened his control arms by moving the ball joints and added a rack. He has the work detailed here.
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#986677 - Sat Nov 16 2013 04:25 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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on our 51 - 3104 i did a 1977 4x4 rear axle. offset kit 1.5'' and added another 1''.
she now has 2'' wide brake shoes. easy swap that fit nicely under the rear. placed an under bed 16 gal tank and two into one headers off tom's stovebolt headers flange
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#991080 - Fri Dec 06 2013 08:42 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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TCI with coil overs on a 46 worked well for me.
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#996600 - Fri Jan 03 2014 05:08 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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I've made numerous modifications to my 1965 C10 SWB's suspension and have written some how to threads also. Here are some links:

Frame Notch Based On Strength: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?t=20312

Upper Rear Shock Relocation 63-72: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?p=88325#

Track Bars, The Short and The Long Of It: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?t=14368/

Rear Lowering Springs - Lessons Learned: http://c10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17219

And my build thread has more details of suspension changes and other assorted bizarre modifications. yahoo
Lakeroadsters' Build Thread 1965 SWB Stepside: http://talk.classicparts.com/showthread.php?t=13928

Hope these help! thumbs_up

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#997355 - Mon Jan 06 2014 03:43 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Hot Rod John]
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Flat out Engineering has kits to mount C4 Corvette front and rear suspensions for the '55-'59 trucks, and various other vehicles. The boss Don is very friendly and helpful: when I had emailed him a question about the kit, he called me right back, because he thought it was better to be able to talk about my question rather than email back and forth!
Rear end kits are true bolt-ons, very easy to install, even on a Suburban without removing the body.
http://www.flatout-engineering.com/
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#1040396 - Sun Jul 06 2014 02:53 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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I installed Steve Andereggens IFS on my 49 Suburban using 84 GMC front crossmember shortened 1 & 5/8 inches. While a good solid heavy duty truck suspension I ran into the following issues.

1. Raises the front of the truck up higher and destroys the stock look which I wanted to keep.
2. Installed 2 inch lowered front spindles to get the stock look back which changes the front end geometry making it impossible to line up. Cant get enough caster.
3. Although it drives well, doesn't wander and rides good the steering wheel will not return to the neutral centering position after turning a corner because of the insufficient caster problem. Also it ate up my front tires at 5500 miles.

This conversion is economical and safe and a plus is that it is a truck IFS and if you are not concerned about losing the stock look it works fine.

I have bought Scott Danforths kit and am in the process of installing it now. I like the idea of using stock S-10 parts.



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#1053625 - Tue Sep 02 2014 07:28 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
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#1083618 - Wed Feb 04 2015 02:51 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: Scott Danforth]
hopalong66 Offline
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do I understand that using a 73-87 chevy truck subframe bolted onto a 51 chevy truck 3100 original chassis and by using the cpp modular drop spindle will position the track width near the 53 original track width with no alignment problems?
thanks, phil
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#1084018 - Fri Feb 06 2015 12:15 PM Re: Definitive Suspension list for Stovebolts [Re: hopalong66]
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Hi Everyone

I hung a pair of 1990's 1/2 ton rear Chevy truck leaf springs on my 1952/53 1 ton Chevy truck I call "Howard Knapp" I bought the both rear springs with all the hangers still attached (local price was $200.00). Took me a week with the "Liquid Wrench" to get everything loosened up so I can hang them on the 1952/53 Chevy frame. 16 5/16" x 1" long hardened steel hex head screws and the rear springs were in place. I had to cut the 1985 Chevy Blazer spring perches and I bought a pair from "Speedway Motors" spring perches...I think I had to move the perches out about 1/2" on each side. 1985 Chevy Blazer rear shocks from Rock Auto. Had to fabricate some hangers for this stuff tho...

Hope this helps someone out.

MikeC


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